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Hurricane Katrina

what caused the flooding???
A levee 'break' - A floodwalls 'break'


saving the 'city' from further flooding? or redirecting floods away from the financial district into the poor areas ?

snapshot taken from The Weather Forum

Levees/floodwalls blasted?

On Saturday Sept, 3 at approximately 5 pm the Fox News Channel was interviewing a black actor ( who's name I can't remember now.... Haley Stevens? ) and he said that he spoke to one of the first flood victims from the broken levy in New Orleans as this victim's house was the first to be flooded away. The victim said that he saw 2 separate empty grain sail barges crash into the levy and break them at 2 different points. The reporter asked the actor to repeat what he said as this was the first time he's heard of it.

Rob Willett, Chicago

Flashback: blowing levees as a weapon of war...

The most bizarre flooding of the Yellow River occurred in June, 1938. The Japanese were invading China, and Chiang Kai-shek decided he might stop them by loosing a flood upon them. He ordered the levees blown. The resulting flood slowed the Japanese only slightly, but estimates of the Chinese who died in the resultant flooding vary from 200,000 to 900,000.

source

Video shows an eyewitness convinced of levee shenanigans

DAVID MUIR, ABC NEWS: This is the actual levee that runs along the canal on the eastern side of the city. And when the hurricane hit, the water came through at such force, it was apparently too much. You can see the massive breach here, and when you look around the corner you can see what the water did to the Lower Ninth Ward. It compleetley destoryed neighborhoods.

JOE EDWARDS, JR., 9TH WARD RESIDENT: I heard something go BOOM!

MUIR: Joe Edwards rushed to get himself and as many neighbors as possible into his truck. They drove to this bridge, where they've been living ever since

EDWARDS: My house broke in half. My mother's house just disintegrated. It was a brick house. All the houses down there floated down the street like somebody's guiding 'em

MUIR: Was it solely the water that broke the levee, or was it the force of this barge that now sits where homes once did? Joe Edwards says neither. People are so bitter, so disenfranchised in this neighborhood, they actually think the city did it, blowing up the levee to save richer neighborhoods like the French Quarter.

MUIR: So you're convinced . . .

EDWARDS: I know this happened!

MUIR: . . . they broke the levee on purpose?

EDWARDS: They blew it!

MUIR: New Orleans' mayor says there's no credence to this.

NEW ORLEANS MAYOR RAY NAGIN: That storm was so powerful and it pushed so much water, there's no way anyone could have calculated what levee to dynamite to have the kind of impact to save the French Quarter.

MUIR: An LSU expert who looked at the video today says, while the barge may have caused it, it was most likely the sheer force of the water that brought the levee along the Lower Ninth Ward down. (NOTE: It is not clear at all that blowing the Industrial Canal could have "saved" the Quarter, or that the Quarter was in danger at all.)

- video from 'Totall 411 info'

here's the problem...The levees/floodwalls blew 21 hours after the storm hit... did levees break, purely because of the AMOUNT of water?...where did this water come from, a downgraded storm?

Somehow i just can't imagine the people of Holland putting up with this shit!

Katrina now category 3, pounds Gulf Coast

Aug 29, 2005, 15:51 GMT NEW ORLEANS, LA, United States (UPI) -- Hurricane Katrina was downgraded to a Category 3 storm Monday as it pounded the Louisiana and Mississippi coastal areas.

Heavy rain and sustained winds up to 124 mph buffeted the area between New Orleans and Gulfport, Miss., where substantial flooding was forecast by the National Hurricane Center over the next few hours.

New Orleans could still get storm surge flooding up to 20 feet above normal tides, as could other areas near and to the east of the hurricane`s center, forecasters said.

At 11 a.m. EDT, the eye of Hurricane Katrina was about 35 miles east-northeast of New Orleans and about 45 miles west southwest of Biloxi, Miss.

Rainfall totals of 5 to 10 inches were expected with isolated reports of 15 inches expected in the hurricane`s path in the Gulf Coast and the Tennessee Valley.

- monsters and critics

Take a look at this Flash presentation from the BBC

The difference between a category 3 and a 4 is significant

storm surges

between 2.7 - 3.7 meters on a category 3

between 4 - 5.5 meters on a category 4

more than 5.5 meters on a category 5

so what kind of a surge would hit 21 hours after the storm hit?

it's a mystery...

Mystery surrounds floodwall breaches

Could a structural flaw be to blame?

By John McQuaid Staff writer

One of the central mysteries emerging in the Hurricane Katrina disaster is why concrete floodwalls in three canals breached during the storm, causing much of the catastrophic flooding, while earthen hurricane levees surrounding the city remained intact.

It probably will take months to investigate and make a conclusive determination about what happened, according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But two Louisiana State University scientists who have examined the breaches suggest that a structural flaw in the floodwalls might be to blame.

"Why did we have no hurricane levee failures but five separate places with floodwall failures?" asked Joseph Suhayda, a retired LSU coastal engineer who examined the breaches last week. "That suggests there may be something about floodwalls that makes them more susceptible to failure. Did (the storm) exceed design conditions? What were the conditions? What about the construction?"

Ivor Van Heerden, who uses computer models to study storm-surge dynamics for the LSU Hurricane Center, has said that fragmentary initial data indicate that Katrina's storm-surge heights in Lake Pontchartrain would not have been high enough to top the canal walls and that a "catastrophic structural failure" occurred in the floodwalls.

Corps project manager Al Naomi said that the Corps' working theory is that the floodwalls were well-constructed, but once topped they gave way after water scoured their interior sides, wearing away their earth-packed bases. But he said some other problem could have caused the breaches.

"They could have been overtopped. There could have been some structural failure. They could have been impacted by some type of debris," Naomi said. "I don't think it's right to make some type of judgment now. It's like presuming the reason for a plane crash without recovering the black box."

Officials long had warned about the danger of levees being topped by high water from a storm surge. Absent topping, floodwalls are supposed to remain intact.

The floodwalls lining New Orleans canals consist of concrete sections attached to steel sheet pile drilled deep into the earth, fortified by a concrete and earthen base. The sections are joined with a flexible, waterproof substance.

Floodwalls were breached in the 17th Street Canal, at two places in the London Avenue Canal, and at two places in the Industrial Canal, Suhayda said. Naomi said last week that one of the Industrial Canal breaches likely was caused by a loose barge that broke through it.

Suhayda said that his inspection of the debris from the 17th Street Canal breach suggests the wall simply gave way. "It looks to have been laterally pushed, not scoured in back with dirt being removed in pieces," he said. "You can see levee material, some distance pushed inside the floodwall area, like a bulldozer pushed it."

He suggested that because the walls failed in a few spots, the flaw may not be in the design but in the construction or materials.

"Those sections in the rest of the wall should have been subjected to the same forces as that section that failed," he said. "Why did one side fail, not the other side?"

Drainage canals typically are lined with floodwalls instead of the wider earthen levees that protect the lakefront because of a lack of space, engineers say.

"It's a right-of-way issue," Naomi said. "Usually, there are homes right up against the canal. You have to relocate five miles of homes (to build a levee), or you can build a floodwall."

Constructing a more expensive earthen levee also would require building farther out into the canal itself, reducing the size of the canal - and the volume of water it could handle.

Naomi said that an earthen levee also could have been breached if the surge had pushed water over the top. "A levee failure might be more gradual than with a floodwall," he said. "It means you may have flooded a little slower."

The central question for engineers investigating the breaches will be whether the floodwalls were topped - and that's still unclear. The levee system, floodwalls included, is designed to protect against an average storm surge of 11.5 feet above sea level. The Corps adds several more feet of "freeboard" to account for waves and other dynamics. Naomi said the Industrial Canal floodwalls were topped by water coming in from the east. But scientists don't yet know exactly whether Katrina's Lake Pontchartrain surge was high enough to go over the wall in the two other canals. Many storm surge gauges stopped functioning during the storm, LSU climatologist Barry Keim, though initial data point to a mi-lake height of eight or nine feet. Heights typically are higher at the Lakefront area because wind pushes water higher against the levees.

Suhayda said the debris line on the lakefront levee adjacent to the canal was "several feet" below the top. The levees are 17 or 18 feet high in that area. The canal levees, however, average only 14 feet. Storm surges have waves and other dynamics that push water still higher than the average height.

"There are big implications for as little as a one-foot change in elevation" of the storm surge, Suhayda said.

If the water did not top the levees, the breaches could prove more mysterious. Typically, the pounding of wave action would be the most likely way to cause a breach, scientists say. But there isn't much wave action in canals.

"Waves constantly breaking on the structure start to erode it and make it become unstable," said LSU coastal geologist Greg Stone, who studies storm-surge dynamics. "But I don't think that was a major factor in the canals. You just don't have the (open area) to allow wave growth to occur." - back up of nola.com archives

Experts say Louisiana levees should have held: Post

Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:10 AM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Hurricane experts said Hurricane Katrina's storm surges were smaller than authorities have suggested and that poor design, faulty construction or a combination of the two were to blame for the failure of New Orleans' flood-protection system, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday.

Scientists and engineers at Louisiana State University's Hurricane Center -- with the help of computer models and visual evidence -- concluded the levee system should have been sufficient to keep most of the city dry. They also said Katrina's storm surges did not come close to going over the floodwalls, contradicting statements from the Army Corps of Engineers, which has said the surges sent water from Lake Pontchartrain over the top of the concrete walls.

"This should not have been a big deal for these floodwalls," said oceanographer G. Paul Kemp, a hurricane expert who runs LSU's Natural Systems Modeling Laboratory. "It should have been a modest challenge. There's no way this should have exceeded the capacity."

Ivor van Heerden, the Hurricane Center's deputy director, said the real scandal of Katrina is the "catastrophic structural failure" of barriers that should have handled the hurricane with relative ease. "We are absolutely convinced that those floodwalls were never overtopped," the newspaper quoted van Heerden saying.

The Post said the center's researchers said it is too early to say whether the breaches were caused by poor design, faulty construction or some combination. But van Heerden said the floodwalls at issue -- massive concrete slabs mounted on steel sheet pilings -- looked similar to the sound barriers found on major highways, the Post said.

Corps spokesman Paul Johnston told the Post the agency believes storm surges sent water flowing over the floodwalls and undermined the earthen levees they sat upon, creating the breaches. Johnston said the Corps would investigate to ensure that scenario is correct. The Corps has said that Katrina, a Category 4 storm, was too massive for a levee system not intended to protect the city from a storm greater than a Category 3 hurricane. - reuters.com

why does a levee break?

"...when they redeveloped flood plains it helped contribute to those floods

there was a reason that land is set aside and to take away that designation and drain it pushes the water to congestion points somewhere upstream...you have to see the effect of policy overall and past individual gain here. The next concern isn't flooding at this point(river near all time lows until hurrican weather brought in monsoons conditions) the concern is a coal facility being set to run, with close tiers to Enron and Arthur Andersen, it is next to a WMA and the water table here is well above four feet, nearly level and portions of the plain are below level as is... they'll poison out entire swaths of land that have a use in the hunting/fishing industry...

Mr Murder , in reply to 'Blew Holes: Why Levees Break' by Eddie Haskell on Wed Aug 31st

a classic example of the fearmongering apparent in the cartel controlled media is that of the flooding of the south of England - News stories blame these floods on the rising sea level, which in turn is based on the assertion that the Icecaps are melting. This is disputed by many who cite a well know scientific theory which asserts that Britain is actually incrementally tipping downwards in the south over thousands of years due to the warping of the earths crust, caused by the melting of the great glaciers in Scotland 10.000 years ago.

Even more likely are factors of shoddy land management masked as 'modernization' - building developments on flood plains...and the closing of many water intensive industries, such as in the case of York, where many locals cite the closure of the cement factory which diverted much water from the rivers over periods of time, changing the nature of the flow of the river and it's banks, as the cause of their flooding woes.

Flash floods hit Inverness

Torrential rain has led to flash flooding in the Highland city of Inverness.

Roads were closed and train services were disrupted after the downpour left parts of the city under water on Sunday.

pictures show the scale of the flooding which prompted police to urge drivers not to approach the city. BBC

York floods as more rain forecast

The River Ouse has burst its banks flooding part of the centre of York as forecasters warn of more heavy rain.

Wales, the Midlands and southern England are set to get the worst of the rain on Monday night and Tuesday.

The Environment Agency has 49 flood warnings in place in England and Wales after heavy rain and the weekend thaw swelled rivers.

In the Midlands alone, there are 27 flood warnings in place. North east and south west England are also at risk. Britons 'let down' by flood defences [insurance companies blame weather to ensure profits!]

Hurricane Rita - deja vu...?

New Orleans sea defences give way

Hurricane Rita, the powerful Category 3 storm, has already caused 4ft floods in areas that had only just been pumped dry following Hurricane Katrina. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said the city would not cope with storm surges much bigger than 6ft and it was impossible to tell which way Rita might swing as it made landfall. The damage is expected to top £4.6 billion (8.2 billion dollars). latest on Rita from CNN

Did Dolphins plant mines on the flood barriers?

The US military may be missing up to 36 specially trained whales and dolphins following Hurricane Katrina. The US Navy not only uses dolphins, but also sea lions and small whales like this one. Many of them have been trained to use toxic darts against underwater terrorists.

So far, the US military has denied that it is missing any of its aquatic special agents and says there were none stationed in the region at the time of the hurricane. The use of sea mammals in the military goes back to the 1960s when both the Americans and the Soviets began experiments.

Dolphins were first used in combat during the Vietnam War and swam missions in Cam Ranh Bay. They have been used in Iraq to look for underwater mines. Sea lions were also part of Operation Enduring Freedom and were used to help protect US war ships. Some have speculated that the supposed missing dolphins in the Gulf of Mexico are dangerous and could be armed with poisonous darts. The navy has said there is no such thing as "killer dolphins."

The story about the missing dolphins originated with accident expert Leo Sheridan. He claims to have worked for the US government in the past and that he has his information from a source in the US secret services. - der spiegel photo gallery

Armed and dangerous - Flipper the firing dolphin let loose by Katrina

 

 

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